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2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by Mark Williams » Sun Jan 31, 2016 3:48 pm

The following teams registered for 2016 (FSE - Full Season Entry):

BFPCR16-001 Simonstrong - Media Velo #17
BFPCR16-002 Royce #14 (FSE) / #16 (FSE) / #19
BFPCR16-003 Apollo Racing #2 (FSE) / #3 (FSE) / #11
BFPCR16-004 Team Patriot #tbc
BFPCR16-005 Falcon Notnray Racing #tbc
BFPCR16-006 Swebbelli Racing #6 / #8
BFPCR16-007 Wing Racers #1
BFPCR16-008 Matrix Racing #33
BFPCR16-009 Norton Greyhounds #12
BFPCR16-010 Knightriders #48
BFPCR16-011 Colonel Mustard #47
BFPCR16-012 Flying Penguins #5 / #32 / #49
BFPCR16-013 GWAWR #tbc
BFPCR16-014 Team 105 #10 / #18 / #22 / #23
BFPCR16-015 Delphi #tbc
NB: JMC never registered in the run up to Shenington after purchasing their £45 race entry.

Note: One Off Fee paid by :
1st Kenilworth Scouts #62
YPi Racing #51
7th Eagles #73

15 x £30.00 = £450.00 Deficit against 2016 Insurance (£685) : £235.00

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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by Mark Williams » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:16 pm

Updated in review of Fed Fees for 2017.

Based on a future 15 Team registration, a £45 Annual subscription would be required to pay a 'no change' insurance premium. The increase in annual fee would be less with pursuing a £3m level of PLI cover.

Update to follow...
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by dralphs » Sun Oct 09, 2016 10:54 pm

Adding up all the entries across the 7 rounds we had 116 entries from a high of 23 to a low of 10.

I was going to suggest scrapping the fixed fee and add it to the race fee but to cover the £685 we need to add £6 approx to each race entry and that impacts the larger teams too much.

Too me although it is a hike to £45 if we need to do it then do so or maybe do it over two years if finances allow.
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by Jes@GCRE » Mon Oct 10, 2016 5:39 pm

Why does a race entry fee hike impact larger teams more than small ones?
Surely the increase per car is split between the same number of drivers.

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Post by dralphs » Mon Oct 10, 2016 6:06 pm

If you put it like that then yes it is assuming you aren't doing solo/duo but for a large team like yours or Team 105 would you want to pay an extra £6 per car per race, which could be an extra £150-£180 a year overall.

Is that fair on large teams who already provide the most support?

It works out at about £2 to £3 per driver extra which isn't that much really i suppose it just seems a lot over a year or of course if you are a solo/duo (We averaged 3 drivers per car over the year)

Is one option we could propose at the AGM and it would help new teams doing 1 or 2 races.
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by Jes@GCRE » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:20 pm

I make it £72 per year for our team if we get both cars into all 6 races.

Split between 4 drivers is £18 each or £3 per driver per race.

Long and short is our race fees are way below anything else remotely similar such as sportives, kart in sessions (and even crate stacking on a scout camp site for an hour is twice a 6 hour pedal car race!).

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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by Mark Williams » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:40 pm

The principle during my tenure has always been that the Fed Fee should cover the PLI. Without this none of the races can happen.

If everyone decided to register under a single team and paid their "45 quid" next year the Fed would be stuffed.

Alternatively, we ditch the Team Registration and revert back to a Licence type set up where every driver effectively pays for the cover collectively. Unfortunately as we didn't do licences this year we have no quick means to understand how many drivers competed in the 2016 Championship...

Or as Dave suggests we get each car to pay their contribution knowing that entries were down in 2016.

(How) Should we look to balance out the fairness of a PCZ "45 quid" car against a PC3 six driver "45 quid" car, the PC2 four driver U16 "45 quid" car and the PC1 full time employed "45 quid" car...
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by Mark Williams » Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:43 pm

Last thing, the Fed Fee was a single charge. As was the Driver Licence. Payable before racing kicked off.
That feels right for a membership type payment.
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by dralphs » Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:57 am

I know that Jes always says we are cheap compared to a lot of other events and i agree we are, but you do have to factor in the cost of hiring or building the pedalcar for a first time team or a team that only comes to shenington.

I like the idea of keeping it simple and just having a single entry fee is attractive rather than what could look to be a complicated race fee + fed fee + driver license (when we had them)

I think some teams (who don't understand the set-up) do wonder why they have to pay another fee on top of the race entrance fee. Lots of othere events don't expect them to pay a membership fee and then an entry fee to do a one off race.

What do the HPV lot do (Alan)? I see they get a newsletter for their fee so maybe we ought to do similar.
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by AlanGoodman » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:09 am

The BHPC quarterly magazine is free to members.
Membership is £15 a year if you want paper magazines or £6 a year if you settle for PDFs.
Racing is £7 for members, £10 for non members. Juniors race free of charge.
The only exception was Derby velodrome which was expensive to hire (about £500) so we charged £20 for members and £25 for non members and required payment in advance. I just ran that as a fun race this year but it went well so I'm hoping we can include it in the championship next year, although I'm expecting some opposition at our AGM.

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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by AlanGoodman » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:22 am

Of course the quarterly magazine needs people willing to contribute to it, edit it and distribute it...

I agree with Jes that our racing is very good value compared to other sports.
One way or another we need to balance the books which will mean bringing in more money and/or cutting costs.

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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by dralphs » Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:47 am

A quarterly magazine would be useful for publicity especially if it was posted to prospective teams (not emailed) but that needs someone to do it and the funds to do it properly.

So unlikely since we don't have a publicity officer
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by dralphs » Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:55 am

So looking at the BHPC fees, Alan what is your PLI costs and how many members do you have. Would be interesting to compare costs.

Given what we've discussed we need to increase race fees anyway to cover race costs and from accounts we need to cover £3500 (i think blackbushe is £300 low)
Exc Shenington that is £2000 divided by about 100 entries so thats a race fee of £20 a £5 increase
Shenington needs £1500 divided by about 25 entries which is £60 a £15 increase

I'm happy with the £5 increase but is a £15 increase for Shenington too much too soon?
I would also scrap the multi car discount even though it helped us.

The fed fee then needs to go up to £45 or even £50 to cover costs, i think it may be simpler to add another £5 to the race fees which over 6 races is £30 which is only £15 more than a fed fee increase from £30 to £45 so doesn't really impact solo or duo that much compared with other costs.

Would a straighforward £25 race fee with Shenington at £60 be really too much?
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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by AlanGoodman » Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:38 am

I think we have 180-odd members at the moment.
I haven't seen BHPC accounts/insurance cost for this year yet but last year our insurance was about £350 I think - We only had £2M cover. We paid an extra £150 or so as a one-off to race at Olympic Park who required £10Million cover.
Generally membership fees cover the magazine and race entry fees pay for everything else. Most BHPC tracks are a lot less expensive than pedal car tracks - They are mainly cycle tracks rather than kart tracks.

Some of those tracks may work for pedal car races, most would probably be extremely boring.

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Re: 2016 BFPCR Registrations

Post by dralphs » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:15 pm

We need confirmation from Mark that the insurance quote in emails today from Alan is acceptable

If it is we have two options

increase Race Fees to £20 (£50 or £60 Shenington) with a £20 BFPCR Fee
or
Increase Race Fees to £25 (£60 Shenington) with no BFPCR fee

Either should (once Mark works the numbers) should balance the books
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